Shipping an A/V product is not selling a secure product.

The "secure product" would be to ship their operating systems and applications in a way that would make add-on applications superfluous.

The mechanisms of designing for security are well-understood. Why MS doesn't do it is a matter open for speculation.

>> That article also mentions that 5-20% of these emails work - the victim
>> clicks through using that nice browser-email feature and enters their
>> hot details into the bogus password harvesting site.

Damn, that's a high yield, no wonder it's booming. No wonder that we keep seeing those "e-gold maintenance urge" emails either.

Perhaps not just me, but the rest of the world should use Mutt for their mail reading. If not because it simply won't follow the links then toprotect the really stupid users from ever using email...

-Rick

Norton Antivirus is a piece of crap. I tried to installed it and the installation failed. After hours of bullshit, installing a Win2000 service pack, bloating up my registry with at least 1000 obscure, new entries, 100 megs on the hard disk, going thru screens and steps all over their website and my computer (a connection I didn't even want in the first place) it still would not run. It bogged myPC down to a crawl, and I ended up reinstalling Windows 2000. So fuck those god damned bastards. They can keep my $70. it is a lesson well learned. I am just staying on bare Win2000 and taking my chances. I should have known, never to install any Symantec *crap*. They are just an out-sourced department of Microsoft to do things Microsoft would get in trouble for doing. They are kind of like those private military companies Rumsfeld hires to "do things" in Iraq.

http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=UBOYD1ZT3NRE0QSNDBESKHA?articleId=22101131

There may be more to it than just the above. According to rumour (above link) Network Associates is gearing up to sell out to Microsoft.